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Jack Antonoff on the Hardest and Most Surprising Music of His Career
“When you work with someone for a long time, you can start really getting weird.”
I was thinking a lot about the space between Dick Dale and John Frusciante on the guitars; the drums, when I was playing them, I wanted them to feel like the early 2000s shoegaze scene that was happening out there. But I met my now-wife, and it feels like a lot of the mythology and armor that I wore — we all say, like, “I can’t get relationships right,” “I don’t do this,” “I’m bad at this.” And when you have a big shift like that, which was really meeting my person, it’s brilliant and amazing, but it’s also destabilizing ’cause you have to deal with all of the past, where you lived by this code that was bullshit. Swift, for her part, recently said the song was inspired by the end of Phantom Thread: “I thought, wouldn’t it be fun to have a lyric about being calculated?” Specifically “Out of the Woods,” “I Wish You Would,” and “You Are in Love,” the three tracks Antonoff originally produced on 1989.
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